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elina -
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I believe that within a person's capacity, that person should never stop asking questions and
never stop thinking critically,
I totally agree with you.
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True things are not always beautiful and beautiful things are not always true.
Again i agree with you. That's said in Dao De Jing:
信 言 不 美 ， 美 言 不 信 。
Sincere words are not fine; fine words are not sincere.
i have alread begun my reading on Buddhism a little a week, i will think carefully, and will not
let my explanation on Pure Land in Buddhism come out before next year. Because when i begun to
read, i know it IS NOT an easy thing to truly understand it, but it is pretty interesting.
Recently, i saw a setence: 差异是学习的资源 / the difference is the resource of studying,
i like it, i will continue my studying in this small thread on discussing the difference between
Christianity and Buddhism, also in next year.
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tanklao -
God helps only those who help themselves.
It's stupid to think that God helps those who believe in him. Yeah I have to admit that sometimes
it works if you believe in God. But this is due to psychology rather than to the God. As far as I
know, Budha works as well as Juses.
rezaf -
Well I think that the God of Abrahamic religions is a very powerful God. Praying to him has
miraculously helped me at difficult stages of my life. However Abrahamic religions are very
anti-wisdom and promote believing without experiencing. Now I am reading and practicing stuff
about Daoism and Buddhism and I think that combining my birth religion Islam with teachings of
more practical religions like Daoism and Buddhism works very well
shazan -
Hi all, I saw some misconception about Islam being talked here, and I wanted to clearify them. And
ofcourse, my appologies in advance if I offended anybody.
In Islam, God is considered to be the essence, the first being, the first intellect, the creater
etc. He doesnt have to come down to manifest himself, because as he says, he is nearer to man than
his jugler vein. And also, he doesnt beget a son. The word Allah comes from Al & Ilah, meaning the
diety. It has the same root as the hebrew El, pronounced as El, Ella, Eloh, Elohim & Eloi in the
bible. He is the God of Abraham, Moses, Jesus & Muhammad. Arabs had known him as the god who
talked to their father Abraham. Moon God theory is a recent invention, by a Christian missionary
known as Robert Morey, who has been refuted.
Now Allah says that he sends a guide to every nation. By name only 25 are mentioned in the Quran,
but there is a saying of Prophet Muhammad that 124000 prophets were send before him. Islam sees
itself as the culmination point of the convent that God made with Abraham, that God will send a
guide to all mankind from his offsprings. A guide that will give people the good news, warn them
of an afterlife, & purify them.
The Abrahamic tradition through Issac continued till Jesus. Out of all the jewish prophes, nobody
ever said anything about God begeting a son, or coming down to earth, not even Jesus. After Jesus,
under the influence of Greek opression & philosophy, the teachings of Jewish Jesus were slowly
transformed into very greekified teachings/theology of a mythical Christ. A man-god character,
likes of which were predominant in that part of the world. Under the influence of Constantine,
trinity was made the "official creed", & "other christianities" slowly went extinct. The NT books
were also written under varying influence of greek culture. Thats why we see a stark difference
between Mathew's human Jesus & John's God Jesus. The authors wrote about the Christ character in
such a way that it fits in the rather ambigious verses from the OT. The NT cannon was set much
later, & there wasent much logic behind the inclusion or exclusion of books that got included or
excluded. Thanks to this, there are thousands of errors & contradictions in it.
The Abrahamic tradition through Ishmael ended at Muhammad, this time the convent was between God &
humanity.
The word Jihad means struggle. From Islam's point of view, its a struggle against injustice,
inside one's self or outside it.
"There are no provisions for women, no hope for women" is another misconception. Islam sees women
as equal to men, but not identical.
Muslims dont consider reading bible a sin. Its just that bible more or less has only a historical
significance for them.
Walid Shoebat is a charltan. I am amazed that a palestenian would side with Zionist occupants &
turn a blind eye towards the suffering of his own people, who were murdered/terrorised & thrown
out of their land. They included both Christians & Muslims. And the struggleof Palestine is a
political one, not religious. Its about a piece of land that was invaded & occupied by Europeans.
There are many reachable Muslim scholars who converted from Christianity. If you are interested,
you can read Gai Eaton, Martin Lings, Nuh Keller, Hamza Yusuf, Yusuf Estes etc.
To see some comparative study between Chinese philosophy & Islam read the following links.
http://www.ibnarabisociety.org/artic...fucianism.html
{An article about Lin Chih's Islamic neoconfucianism by Sachiko Murata.)
http://abuzuhri.blogspot.com/2007/05...-in-china.html
http://www.islamicity.com/forum/foru...s.asp?TID=9198
BY Abu Zhulixin al-Hakkawi
Other books written on this subjest include The Black Pearl: Spiritual Illumination in Sufism and
East Asian Philosophies by Henry Bayman , Chinese Gleams of Sufi Light by Sachiko Murata, & The
Dao of Muhammad by Zvi Ben-Dor Benite
I will be delighted to answer if anybody has any questions.
Take care...peace !
shazan -
Sorry, that last link got accidentally added, there is nothing much to read there.
rezaf -
Very good information. I don't want to criticize you because most of things you said are just
documented information. But you make it look like too western style civilized and having seen that
I want to add some of my personal views. There is a whole bigger dark side of Islam which gives
humans extra reasons to kill each other and has caused so much bloodshed amongst Muslims and other
people so far. It is an old way of thinking which was very advanced for it's own time but belongs
to the time that all one nation wanted was to suppress other nations, to take booties from them
and to make their people slaves. Regardless of the parts that are compatible to today's civilized
manners, the basic theory in Islam is: "Islam makes people free from tyranny. Those who are not
Muslim are automatically living under tyranny, so Muslims should occupy their lands and help them
get their freedom. They either become Muslims or they have to pay Muslims for their lives and
under pressure they eventually become Muslims."
Islam has interesting insights in human ethics and law but a lot of things are just in theory
however the more apparent side of Islam is how it easily allows violence and we see how Muslims
divided after the prophet died and have been killing each other and others from then on, and each
group can easily find enough excuses to kill other groups. Islam doesn't talk about justice and
brotherhood for mankind but talks about justice and brotherhood only for Muslims(and thats why
Muslims have been so kind to force others to convert to Islam), but in practice even this one has
never had much success, Muslims still lie to each other and cheat as before.
And do you really believe that the conflict in Palestine is just political?????? Maybe you should
tell it to Hamas and Hezbollah and see how they react. The political side of this conflict is lost
in piles of religious stuff. When it comes to Muslims and Jews everything is religious.
tooironic -
I'll let someone else do the debating for me.
"The word god is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weakness, the Bible
a collection of honourable, but still primitive legends which are nevertheless pretty childish." -
albert einstein
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